When the very system designed to heal us seems to falter, where do we turn? Our latest episode peels back the curtain on the realities of navigating health crises, from the personal battles with Lyme disease to the heart-wrenching journey of a child's fight against cancer. We weave through tales of medical anomalies, like a mass that took on a life of its own, and the countless voices of patients seeking advocates within a labyrinthine healthcare system. Our guests reveal their intimate struggles and the critical importance of having healthcare providers who not only listen but also integrate holistic practices into their care.
The narrative then shifts to the kitchen and beyond, scrutinizing the fats we consume and the pervasive myths surrounding cholesterol. We spar with the misconceptions that have long governed our diets and offer up practical wisdom on selecting pure olive oil—a staple in any health-conscious pantry. But it's not all about what we eat; it's about who guides us through the maze of nutrition labels and medical advice. Our conversation underscores the search for medical professionals who appreciate the power of nutrition, sharing stories of those rare finds who approach healing through both nature and science.
As our exchange deepens, we stir the pot with thoughts on spirituality's role in shaping our moral compass, suggesting that true spiritual work has the capacity to transcend individual flaws. Our guests touch upon the enigmatic absence of chemtrails in Tennessee skies—a topic we promise to further explore. It's a tapestry of human experience, woven with resilience, advocacy, and a quest for truth in both healthcare and the human spirit. Join us for an episode that's not just about the illnesses that ail us but about the journeys that define our resolve and the connections that sustain us.
When the very system designed to heal us seems to falter, where do we turn? Our latest episode peels back the curtain on the realities of navigating health crises, from the personal battles with Lyme disease to the heart-wrenching journey of a child's fight against cancer. We weave through tales of medical anomalies, like a mass that took on a life of its own, and the countless voices of patients seeking advocates within a labyrinthine healthcare system. Our guests reveal their intimate struggles and the critical importance of having healthcare providers who not only listen but also integrate holistic practices into their care.
The narrative then shifts to the kitchen and beyond, scrutinizing the fats we consume and the pervasive myths surrounding cholesterol. We spar with the misconceptions that have long governed our diets and offer up practical wisdom on selecting pure olive oil—a staple in any health-conscious pantry. But it's not all about what we eat; it's about who guides us through the maze of nutrition labels and medical advice. Our conversation underscores the search for medical professionals who appreciate the power of nutrition, sharing stories of those rare finds who approach healing through both nature and science.
As our exchange deepens, we stir the pot with thoughts on spirituality's role in shaping our moral compass, suggesting that true spiritual work has the capacity to transcend individual flaws. Our guests touch upon the enigmatic absence of chemtrails in Tennessee skies—a topic we promise to further explore. It's a tapestry of human experience, woven with resilience, advocacy, and a quest for truth in both healthcare and the human spirit. Join us for an episode that's not just about the illnesses that ail us but about the journeys that define our resolve and the connections that sustain us.
Good morning everyone. You're joining us on the live stream. Good morning bugs. This is Patti with. Patti Talks Too Much with my dear friends Anuki and Taylor this morning and a kind of I don't know. It's kind of gloomy over here, taylor. I don't know if it says gloomy up in Tennessee, but it's kind of grayish. It's very nice. It is very nice. Oh, it's sunny.
Speaker 2:She's got all the sun.
Speaker 1:There's my little kitty, yeah, she's got the sun this morning, we don't so?
Speaker 2:I guess, how about that.
Speaker 1:There. How about that? There's a first Jelly, so but yeah, we were just talking about the week and you know, and Andoki's little impromptu surgery on her neck and yeah, it's just kind of. It's just been a wild, a wild week and I don't know if that's kind of like a theme, but like the whole theme of our our physical bodies and taking care of our physical bodies and sometimes how they scream at us when we're not, and like this whole thing about like how we'll, we'll kind of just knuckle it through and adjust to whatever pain or whatever thing is going on in our body.
Speaker 1:Grin and bear it, grin and bear it, and I've been experiencing that too, with just kind of the changes that are going on in my body in terms of, like, whether or not this is arthritis or not. But it's definitely something that I not only feel in my hands, but I also I feel in my wrists and I feel in my hips and you know it's kind of like, wow, this is, this is really intense you know like just how much?
Speaker 1:The onset of it is interesting to me it is, it is, and so I don't know what. Now I was on the phone with my mom, who reminded me that I had been bitten by a tick when I was up in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and the testing for ticks are bullshit. Yeah, well, you have to have so many markers and it's like, well, that's not.
Speaker 3:Up there. My cousin had Lyme disease from a tick.
Speaker 2:But you have to be diagnosed you have to have five blood markers, it does feel like arthritis and stuff.
Speaker 3:My cousin passed away from it. I've been hit by a lot of ticks.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you have too, anuki but it definitely affects your immune system in some way, and I do feel like science doesn't have all of the answers in regards to that?
Speaker 3:no, that's in the way that they affect us I know, like the new lone star thing too, that's going around, that's like a version of I mean there is there are people who believe that ticks are created by the government.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, there's that you know, or? Or that Lyme disease is yeah.
Speaker 2:They were bred into the Bio weapon. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bio weapon that went awry and went, you know kind of went out into into the public and you never know. I mean they've messed with mosquitoes terribly.
Speaker 2:Look at Florida. You guys, yeah, look at Florida, know I mean they've messed with mosquitoes terribly. So you guys look at florida.
Speaker 3:Look what we've watched happen with mosquitoes and spraying the video this week, or whatever, that it looked like it was snowing in florida. She was trying to get a picture of the moon but um, there were so many mosquitoes she sprayed some mosquito repellent and the mosquitoes and the repellent all looked like snow on her little video, or whatever. I was like oh my God.
Speaker 2:When I was in Cocoa Beach and I would close the bar and get home at like two or three, I'd sit outside, you know, smoke whatever at night, enjoy the moon. There was a particular night where they came to spray for mosquitoes and like legit, I didn't know it was happening. So I'm seeing the spray, like I'm hearing the spray from the truck, and I'm like what?
Speaker 3:is going on.
Speaker 2:You know, tell me how it's nighttime. It's nighttime and butterflies start dropping out of the air.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I have pictures. It was right after gabby had died and I was like I don't know if this is a sign or if this is a sign that florida is fucked because I know why this butterfly just landed on my face yeah they've already got a storm this year. Well you know I was gonna say in appalachia. One of my fellow herbalists has already made it very clear that she's already been bitten by a tick and that they are active, very active this year.
Speaker 1:Well, well, I did. I did get um just to kind of follow up on what you were saying, taylor. I did go. I requested a blood test yeah. Yeah, and, and so I went in this week.
Speaker 2:And it was. We'll see I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, no, no, um, I, yes, I called my doctor and I said, listen, I didn't realize that maybe, you know, we should look at this too.
Speaker 2:I highly suggest that before you get your results, or when you get your results, you ask them what markers did I test positive for and which ones did I not?
Speaker 1:Because there are so many.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what the markers are, though, taylor. Well, we'll do a little research if you'd like.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:But you know, I understand hematology a little bit, so I'm happy to help you in that. If you could get a copy of your blood work, yeah, I'm happy to help you in that. Um, if you could get a copy of your blood work, yeah, Um, I'm happy to look at it. There are definitely um herbal remedies to to help with limes. Um, I have a couple of girls that I know that have somewhat successfully I don't want to say cured, but completely subsided their symptoms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are protocols and you know, and it does take time, you know, and so I'm just going to, and there are so many things that we never really thought might be parasite based that actually are Like based that actually are like cancer. Yeah, like cancer and arthritis might be one of them. And my mother was saying, yeah, it's kind of parasite based and you can't really, once you have it, you can't really get rid of it and that's that's terrifying, but like you know, so much, of what, but you should still have the tick bite and there should be a ring around the tick bite for lyme disease there's not always a ring, though
Speaker 1:well, you know, here's what happened with me this apparently this is kind of gross though what this one on your stomach yeah so I remember that I was.
Speaker 1:When I went up to Massachusetts after my cafe closed, you know, I one of the first things that I did was I went walking. I went on this hike around this place called Quabbin Reservoir and it's very beautiful and it was so beautiful that I went. I was kind of following this path and then I went off the path a little and I found a tree and I sat under the tree and I was just admiring the reservoir and the beauty of it and the birds and I was just into it, right. And then that night I'm in bed and I'm staying with my sister at the time I'm in bed and I kind of noticed that there's a little bump on my stomach and I'm like what is this, you know? And I get up and I actually wake her up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1:She wasn't happy about that, um but she's a nurse, she's a nurse and I was like I don't know, you know I'll be like a, you know a wuss, because you know whatever. So I'm like I don't know what this, what is this? And she says, oh, my god's a tech. Yeah, my sister is so, you know, she's so like rah, get in here get in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Let me see if I can take care of it. You know, and she was kind of, but anyway she used, like whatever, tweezers, yeah and whatever, and she got it out. But the next day I went to the urgent care and the woman at the urgent care said oh, okay, so because you know, this is you know you, you caught it in time and whatever, and it did look gnarly Like you know. I mean, he had been that little tick, had been in there, did you, save your tick.
Speaker 2:No, so any, any, any time. Where you're ever bit by a tick, we save it. Now you can put it in a jar with a little alcohol. You can put it in a jar and put it, or a bag, a Ziploc bag, and put it in the freezer. But so, as as an outdoors advocate, I highly recommend that anybody that gets bit by a tick first of all, first and foremost, bit by a tick first of all. First and foremost, use protection. Know what colors to wear, wear bug spray. You can make your own bug spray. There are so many bug sprays that you can make with essential oils and put on your socks. Um, I know people that put high socks on and tape their hands to their socks, um, but, but you know.
Speaker 2:So, prevention number one, number two if you are. But secondly, after you're hiking, if you know you've been outdoors, please check yourself. Even if you're by your friend or by yourself, you don't. You don't have a friend. Look in the mirror, take off your shirt, make sure you check your head every time you're out in the forest.
Speaker 3:Use this time to stand in front of a mirror and see what your butt looks like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, check your butt out. Make sure you know it's still popping. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying and then if you are, you know, because it'd be popping after the hike you know, if you have been bitten by a tick, always, always, save the tick, because sometimes the onset of symptoms takes weeks. Now, if you have symptoms, if you happen to have pulled a tick and then you get a bullseye, you have that tick to bring in and be like test this tick. You bring the tick to your doctor. Your doctor will then have that tick tested to your doctor. Your doctor will then have that tick tested. That is more so a sign of we're going to treat you for Lyme right now. I'm going to get you on antibiotics. This tick was such and such Now in the region where you were, patty. It's so bad there.
Speaker 2:There's this area up north, that it's like.
Speaker 3:Connecticut, New York, New.
Speaker 1:Jersey. That's where it originated. That's why it's called Lyme disease. It's named after Lyme, Connecticut.
Speaker 3:Lyme disease is from Connecticut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's crazy, but here's what happened though.
Speaker 1:Taylor.
Speaker 1:So I went to the urgent care the next day and you know, I mean and it's been a while, but this is what my memory, this is what I remember is that the PA there gave me, I want to say, three days worth of some kind of medication Ciprofloxacin, probably, something strong, yeah and I and she said, and don't worry about it, it's good that you caught it in time, and whatever, just take this.
Speaker 1:And so I took it and I thought I'm good and I never really thought about it again. So when I went into, you know, like I, you know, went to I it's not something that I bring up because I figured it's you know, um, I took care of it, I didn't have to worry about it, and but but my mother was reminding me you know, we were on the phone because she has Lyme, she got, she got a bite in her in her backyard, and so she deals with Lyme. And she said, just just request it from your doctor so that you can at least, at the very least, rule it out. Just, you know it be, you know, just just rule that out in terms of what's going on in your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, if you have four of five Lyme disease markers, you will not be diagnosed with Lyme. It's very hard to be diagnosed with Lyme and I don't know why they make it so, but I find that in in what I've heard from people who are. I have a friend who she was my neighbor, my old neighbor. She found a holistic doctor that would treat her for Lyme because she had four out of five markers and her doctor refused to treat her. So she found a holistic doctor that was willing to do so without her having every single marker, because and that's where it gets funny, you know, yeah, that's like, that's the medical system.
Speaker 1:It's like why would you? You know, well, why would you do that? You know, and you know one of the things that my mother was talking about was that why isn't? Because there she said something like half a million people a year contract Lyme. So why wouldn't it be like, you know, when you're being, if you're an outdoorsy person, if you're somebody who spends time outdoors, if you camp, if you hike or whatever like, if they know this, that that's your lifestyle, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't it be part of your annual checkup it's a great question.
Speaker 2:Or if you live in a region where you know it's a prominent thing, or? Prevalent, then why aren't we?
Speaker 1:it's a great question. It's a great question Like do you, do you do regular yard work? I say the same thing about cancer.
Speaker 2:There are so many babies born with cancer and I'm like, why are we not you're testing them for this, you're shooting them up with vitamin K, you're doing all of these things, but test the blood of newborn babies for preventative measures against cancer? Yeah, it's not done. It's not done. I have a friend who went to the American Cancer Pediatrics or you know, the American Pediatric Cancer Association, whatever to say like why aren't we testing children for this? There are so many things, preventive measures that we could do in the medical field that are not done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, preventative. Well, you just said it, because our system is not set up for prevention.
Speaker 3:Our system is not set up for prevention.
Speaker 1:Like you go to other places in the world, it's more focused on prevention, but ours isn't, because we are more of a disease management system. It's like you know, they, you know, let the disease happen so we can make a whole lot of money on treating it. So we don't want to prevent the disease.
Speaker 3:You know what.
Speaker 1:I mean Like the system doesn't want to prevent the disease. You know what I mean. Like the system doesn't want to prevent the disease. That's its cash cow. So exactly, and I think that more and more people are waking up to that, especially if you've lost children, if you've lost loved ones needlessly, because the medical system, you know is failing them, which it really is um completely, and I think, like what's happened over the last few years has really um.
Speaker 2:I had a table the other night. You guys and they may be listening because I um, I introduced them to to our podcast, but, um, I had a table recently. It was two men. They were from upstate New York, Wonderful gentlemen, they had spent a lot of time in Colorado and very woodsy outdoorsman. One's an EMT and one is a trauma nurse. The trauma that they experienced from the medical system and being in the medical system is absolutely astounding.
Speaker 2:um, yeah, wanting to help people are not being allowed to like they were like don't go to a hospital unless you're absolutely dying. You need, like yeah, an immediate emergent, like you need triaged or something. Yeah like, unless you're like bleeding out or something is desperately wrong and you need and do not go to a hospital is essentially what they were saying, and coming from a trauma nurse, an er nurse, um and an emt.
Speaker 2:it was like whoa, um, but long of the short, their father was dying. I hope it's okay that I share this story. Their father was dying of cancer. He had something else going on too. It was it was preventing his treatment and the oncologist was at one hospital, but he was in the Bronx, at this hospital or whatever, somewhere you know in New York city, and they refused to release him to the doctor that was telling the son like I'm going to save your dad, you've got to get him to me. They stole an ambulance. They stole an ambulance. How fucking cool is this? They stole an ambulance, went into the hospital as EMTs, unattached, as IV, because you can't be, you can't leave the hospital. You know they won't. What's the word Um? Release you discharged.
Speaker 2:They won't discharge you if you have an IV. So his IV magically came out and they were like we're here to transfer this man, and they took the kidnap to their father from this hospital, put him in the back of a stolen ambulance and drove him to the hospital in New York where he needed to be. Um, and I was just so I mean vigilante vigilante health care so I was worried about my mom. My mom had had um. My mom had had hip surgery.
Speaker 3:She had fallen um that's what happened to him unbeknownst to everyone.
Speaker 2:It was getting super infected and she was actually septic. Pj at the time was one year old and I was already skeptical about this place. But one night it gives me goosebumps to this day. One night, pj was 13 months is what he was. He woke me up in the middle of the night and he wasn't even that close Like. His relationship with my mom didn't equate for him to do this. So he woke me up screaming. Nana came to bed ripping at me and I'm like what, what the fuck is going on here, why, why? I'm calling. I'm calling this nursing home. Right, I'm calling this rehabilitation center.
Speaker 2:Right now it's two o'clock in the morning. He's screaming Nana, something's wrong with my mom. The intuition coming through my child was so strong that I picked up the phone I wasn't even awake yet and called this place. I said go check on my mom, right the fuck. Now, when they got to the room, my mom was not responding. She was completely septic and full organ failure and on the cusp of death. By the time I got there, they were putting her in the back of an ambulance and my mom stayed in ICU for two weeks to do debridement for her surgery and all this crazy shit to get all the infection out of her body. But had my son not done that, my mother would have died in that nursing home that day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know, so you know, you really, you really. Advocation is something that you know. I think anybody who's spoken to me and knows the story of phoenix um knows that I am really big on telling you to advocate, advocate at your doctor and remind them I'm in fact employing you for this service, motherfucker yeah right, I don't give a shit.
Speaker 2:If I'm on medicaid, you're getting paid and I am employing you. I can go pick any other you know physician I would like if you don't want, my you know money. But, um, we have to remember. We have to remember that it is our lives and doctors can be very pushy. Well, we're going to do this and this and this. I never gave you permission for that.
Speaker 2:I spoke to a mother last night that gave birth locally at a hospital that I was supposed to deliver a baby at. This doctor refused to do a cesarean, ripped this baby out of this woman with a vacuum and forceps and then when she said my baby's dead on my chest it was not dead trigger warning sorry, her son was not dead, but she thought he was because he was so limp when he threw him on top of her. And then she said is he okay? He took a phone call and walked out of the room because he knew he broke that baby's entire shoulder. His whole collarbone was shattered, his shoulder dislocated. They didn't even find out until they got him to his first peds appointment and now they have to sue the hospital. But if I was, this is the point of having a midwife, having somebody that when you're in the throes of, I can't advocate for myself, you have someone there to advocate for you.
Speaker 2:Because if you had a midwife who said, if I wrote down, do not touch me with forceps, do not touch me with a vacuum, then I'll be damned if my midwife is going to allow that to happen. That's what I'm paying her to be there for. But yeah, anything can happen and doctors are so abrasive sometimes. But you have to remember that we are the ones in charge of the decisions being made for us.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I think we're kind of living through this time when all positions of authority, all authority and officialdom is being questioned yeah, so doctors are being and there are a lot of people like especially my age who are just like, well, that's what my doctor said, so he knows best.
Speaker 2:He said I should take this medicine, so I'm on Ozempic Right.
Speaker 1:So people are deferential, unfortunately, especially older folks are deferential to their doctors. Because that's the training, you see, that's a training. We are supposed to trust these people in authority. We're supposed to trust doctors and we're supposed to trust teachers and we're supposed to trust our elected officials and you know, and on and on and on. And all of these people, I mean all these people in officialdom, don't deserve our don't deserve our trust.
Speaker 2:When was the last time you had a conversation with a surgeon? Did you have a conversation with a surgeon, Anuki, before they operated on you?
Speaker 3:Because I've never seen a god complex like that on a surgeon. Honestly, I I want to say because, because, like I have had nothing but terrible experiences with doctors prior, you know, until just recently, all right, but just recently I, I, I went to a chiropractor and found out they had a food nutritionist and I went and I saw them and I feel like she really heard me, heard everything that I was talking about.
Speaker 1:And they're out there.
Speaker 3:And they're really neutral approaches to fixing me, and then my dermatologist. My dermatologist came up to with a solution that I've been looking for for my whole life, had a solution and it's already working all right.
Speaker 3:I've had a. I had what I thought was a pea-sized mass on my shoulder. All right, I thought it was, you know, pretty small. In the last year it kind of doubled in size and turned into the end of a washable marker, like if you were looking straight out of washable. It was about that size, you know. So it still didn't look huge, but it was starting to affect me and like how I sleep and my neck and like everything, and it was really hurting me, you know.
Speaker 3:And uh, I went in and he said, you know, I'm going to schedule you for surgery for that. I want to take it out, but I want to take it out at our bigger office. He didn't think, you know, into it. He took the time. He heard what I was saying about, you know, about the skin stuff. He heard what I was saying about the mask, you know about the skin stuff. He heard what I was saying about the mask and that you know it wasn't a familiar. It was definitely a foreign thing it needed. It was not supposed to be there. It wasn't like a reaction, it wasn't. They'd been there almost four years, you know, and then, the last year it doubled.
Speaker 3:So yeah, they think it's a cyst.
Speaker 2:They're sending it to pathology obviously yeah, we're gonna send it to pathology.
Speaker 3:It looked black, but when they took it out it didn't look black. So you know, um, they're gonna send it off and see or whatever. But when he opened me up, it was supposed to be two inches and he, he kept going to make sure that he got all of it out, even though it wasn't what he expected it to be, even though it went from an intermediate thing to a complex thing, even though, you know, I mean, he did it and he finished the job and he made sure that I was okay with it. And he asked me would you like the cut to go? You know this way, or would you like the cut?
Speaker 3:to go, you know this way, or would you like the cut? Wow, that way, and I was like you know, I'd really kind of like for it to go. I don't have a problem with having a scar, you know, but I kind of like for it to go along, you know, with the muscles there, you know, just in case I keloid or something you know, because I do keloid sometimes, you know. So it would be good to have it, you know, with all the scar roots going with the muscles yeah, you know, and he heard me there, and the best part about it was this surgery.
Speaker 3:They didn't have an opening until sometime in June. All right, they called me up and said we had a cancellation. Would you like to come in and fit me in on a day's notice?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's beautiful a day's notice, you know so.
Speaker 3:So like, like, as much as like. I've had horrible experience. I've been to like plenty of dermatologists in my whole life. Not one of them has ever wanted to hear or care or, you know, look into something you know fully, or or listen to what I thought was up, and he did a great job thoroughly. And the nutritionist I've already lost like 10 pounds. I've already lost 10 pounds and it was like vitamin deficiencies, vitamin deficiencies and I'm doing great you know like and I feel better and I have energy.
Speaker 3:You know, that I haven't had in a while, you know. So, even though I don't know if we show this, if it turns into graphic content like can we show it or no?
Speaker 1:what does it?
Speaker 3:seem like because taylor didn't get to see my, my stitches yeah, no go, let's see got some stitches right graphic content disclaimer right now insane, can we?
Speaker 1:see it from that angle, let's see, uh, a little bit okay, uh, I I beautiful.
Speaker 2:It looks very clean uh-huh, yeah.
Speaker 1:How's it feel now, anoki? And?
Speaker 3:for it to be that big and we have a range of motion that I have right now or feel like I do you know, don't get me wrong I've got a four inch deep cut and four inch long you know, like a four by four but I feel better and my neck, like it ended up being the size of like a ping pong.
Speaker 3:So all those muscles were being pushed out of out of place when I slept, when I moved, when I did anything that I was in like so much pain before that, even though I have this like cut here and this wound, it feels better than it did. With all of that compressing everything and and and trying to sleep at night with like a permanent ball in your neck, you know like I've gotten a lot of muscle knots and stuff, you know, but that thing like and and that's kind of the point that you came in on uh taylor, we were talking about like how um enoki had just kind of adjusted her her life to this, to this thing in her shoulder.
Speaker 1:You know the way she laughed.
Speaker 3:You know, I didn't even know how bad it was, and I had been exactly like experiencing levels of pain that were just not really tolerable. And then I had to go to the chiropractor to try to adjust the bones because they were being pushed so far over here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, and, and, and, uh, the muscles were always pulling on everything, but I I didn't expect to run into the nutritionist there and to balance all that out. You know, and I mean it's just been one beneficial thing after another that I I feel like my experience in the last four weeks with with medical field, you know, like you know, there's a lot of really corrupt people out there that don't care about what they're doing you know, but but there are still people out there that do care about what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And the alternative, like you know, like going to a chiropractor's office and having a nutritionist there, it's kind of like and they're, and they're going to be a different kind of nutritionist than the kind you might see in a hospital. You know, because, like hospital, you know that whole system is is not the same as the kind of care that you get with alternative practitioners, like yeah, and one-on-one.
Speaker 3:I feel like when you're one-on-one with people, they're more. They're more interested in you, in you know, I mean, because their treatment is a reflection of them you know like, and, and you can tell when somebody cares and when somebody doesn't care you know, yeah, like they ask questions that that you've been wanting to hear but you don't even offer.
Speaker 3:You know, like he, my dermatologist, was asking me questions like, like, with real concern. You know, and it's already things that I'm like nothing's ever gonna change. You know, with it I don't even bring it up, you know, like, because it just is you know, yeah, like, but but um you know, it felt so good to be heard, and then not even just heard, but questioned about things I had already just just given up on you know like like my face I was like kind of changing colors and stuff and I had like a lot of discoloration and things that were starting.
Speaker 3:and he gave me this stuff and my face was like wow yeah, yeah, the blood vessel has been exploded in my face since I was 16. You know, it's like calming down a little bit. He brought it all up. You know, like I, I wasn't expecting that you know, I wasn't like, like that, there are still good people.
Speaker 3:And I cried like three times, like all three visits I've cried because, like it's such a relief yeah, to be heard when you've been not heard for so long, you know and like. Look at how simple it was for somebody who cared to fix you know, and I know you, both know me, both know what my you know face has been looking like. That is a serious improvement.
Speaker 2:It looks like you have a filter on it's. Yeah, it's wild I don't know.
Speaker 3:You know like it felt great to be cared for. You know, and that's what health care is for. You know you have to care.
Speaker 1:It's like well, that's real health care.
Speaker 3:That was me having a midwife.
Speaker 2:It changed my whole perception. I'm looking at this girl last night and her perfect little baby, Hims, was so tiny, you guys, and I'm like I'm so glad that I had the intuition not to walk into that hospital and deliver a baby there. I knew I did not belong in that hospital. I knew I could do it by myself, but I had this woman advocating for me that even when I was like I don't know what I've gotten myself into, I had this woman advocating for me that even when I was like I don't know what I've gotten myself into, Because part of me knew that I was going to struggle through that birth, there was an intuitive part that I kept pushing away. But having her there and having her advocate in a doctor's office my first appointment with her, I asked to be signed off on a home birth With her. I asked to be signed off on a home birth because an OB has to sign off before you can have a home birth, especially after I've had cesarean sections. So I can't just go have a home birth right, there has to be sign-offs.
Speaker 2:This man looked me dead in my eyes and he said to me so what are you on? You take methadone or something. I beg your pardon, sir. Why do you want a home birth? I beg your pardon Because of that. What did I do? I called the fucking head of the OB department at that hospital he's a high risk doctor and he was the board and I said listen, my son is immunocompromised. This is COVID. I will not put my son in that type of environment or that. I will not put myself in that type of situation while having a baby. When I have a child at home that is so immunocompromised, please make this work for me. There's a reason I don't want to have a baby in a hospital and I used that as my leeway.
Speaker 3:I wish that he would have just asked me, instead of accusing me of some other being on drugs, you know um, and do you know that?
Speaker 2:he immediately was like now that I know your story, I'm gonna send you know, I'm gonna bring you in. And I didn't know what was happening. I came in for an ultrasound and he claimed he saw something on Porter's heart. Looking back I realized he did all of that for me. There was nothing on my child's heart. He was making it so that he could treat me as a high risk OB and sign off on my birth.
Speaker 3:Home birth, that's great.
Speaker 2:That's right. And so I got my home birth and I had an advocate there who had my fucking back and I felt safe and secure and realizing that birth isn't an emergency care thing. Unless it's an emergency care thing, we've been birthing babies naturally for eons. When did we start giving birth in hospitals? It it's not been that long ladies. So I mean for me, especially young women, that is the number one thing you know. Question your OB, question your gynecologist, question them, question them, and maybe not even in a condescending way, but just like an informative way. Can you please explain this to me? What are the risks and benefits?
Speaker 3:and I think too, you know it's really important, you know, like as important as it is to be cautious and stuff you know, and be careful and make sure you're being heard. It's important for us to acknowledge those people that do that, that cut the corners, to listen to the person's internal this isn't okay or I need to do this, and I know that I need to do this.
Speaker 3:Because of this, it's important to also acknowledge those people too, because without those people, yeah, the problems that would come, like if I didn't get inducted when I did like Nidus had a pretzel knot in his word.
Speaker 2:The ER doctor that diagnosed Phoenix was the same ER doctor that sent him home with an enema two weeks before and so the day that Phoenix is actually diagnosed.
Speaker 2:when I walked into the ER about to fucking throw tables over and said you're going to scan my fucking kid today, period, I don't want to fucking hear it. And he was like bitch, who do you think you are? And I was like I'm about to fucking show you who I am. When he came back in with the oncologist and they pulled me into that second room to whisper to me your son has cancer. They didn't know him to say it like that I was still in shock. But he brought me back out to show me the ultrasound and the MRI and he looked at me and he said I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:And I grabbed that man with both hands on his shoulders and I said do not apologize to me, me, thank you. You're the only fucking one who listened to me and because of you my son's life is going to be saved. Thank you for putting your ego aside for two seconds and listening to a mother who knows her child right, because so many of them can't put their ego aside. But this man who had already had already gone around with him, there was this moment of clarity and he was like oh shit, you know I need to apologize to her because, shoot, mother's intuition is strong. Now I've gone back in there for like random little things with phoenix and been like I want him tested for this and this and this and this, because now I know hematology and I know things that I didn't know before, and and so I'll throw medical terminology out at them, to where they have to respect me to a certain degree, because I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Did I tell you that I have a friend that has the same exact thing that Phoenix has, and he's have had a blastoma. He's my best friend's son's father, so Nidus's brother skyler. He had the exact same thing around four or five and he is now 37 or 36 and he has a healthy son and a healthy life. Because when I posted about phoenix he called me and commented and he's like that's so crazy, it's so rare.
Speaker 2:I've never heard of somebody like that. It's a one in a million.
Speaker 3:One in a million. He's got a little gestational issue stuff. You know that comes up with foods that he eats and stuff. But he's super healthy. He's a lineman every day Did he get a transplant or was he able to have his liver resectioned? He got a transplant when he was a kid. I think he did Either way. He said that he had it and he went through hell for months when he was a kid. He hasn't had to worry about a lot beyond his normal screenings and stuff.
Speaker 2:I just received a phone call from Phoenix's endocrinologist, whom I wasn't crazy about at first, but now that I've gotten to know him a little bit I realize how thorough he he's been very thorough with phoenix and very concerned with phoenix. So hepatoblastoma is one in a million. However, phoenix had a side effect that created a super rarity and that he got precocious puberty alongside of hepatoblastoma due to his tumor growth and the testosterone levels in his body, because when Phoenix was diagnosed, a man's testosterone should be my friend's a really furry guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so well, not every kid has it and only if. If the child is going to get it, it's only males, and precocious puberty is already hereditary in my family, and that could be why um but long of the short phoenix had this rarity, and so when he was two, when he got to saint jude, they were like your son's in puberty and I'm like oh, I won't go into detail, but from bone age to pineal gland, my son was in full-fledged puberty at two years old.
Speaker 2:His testosterone level was three times that of an adult grown man. Now his bones were three years. You got, go back inside If you're going to do that. His bones were three years older than they were supposed to be Now. We just got him to this endocrinologist and got all his tests done, just making sure that everything was good, and I thought we were in the clear right. He calls me the other day and he's like Phoenix is in puberty. He has to start getting shots to stop puberty. So we have an mri scheduled and we have to do these tests that you know. They put this, this, they shoot him up with this injection, they put it in his uh, you know, it goes to his brain, and then they do an mri and they watch to see if the chemicals in his brain react to what they gave him, because then they'll know, you know for sure. But essentially phoenix has to have injections now like puberty blockers correct for the next few years.
Speaker 2:But I thought we were done with it. I really thought that we didn't have to worry that his bones had caught up. His body had caught up to his bones because his bones are still 10 and phoenix is 8, but essentially they were like absolutely not. He will go into full-fledged puberty because his bones are still 10 and Phoenix is eight, but essentially they were like absolutely not. He will go into full-fledged puberty because his body was already primed for it and knows what those hormones are meant to do. And so we have to treat it Now.
Speaker 1:can I ask will this mean that there's a very good chance that Phoenix will not be able to have children?
Speaker 2:um. So asking jude for the girls um if they're at a decent age. I mean, I say that loosely teenage, already teenagers. 10 10 and up I don't know the exact age, but they offer at st jude egg removal prior to treatment, prior to radiation. It gets me. I'm like these poor girls. There is not that option for boys.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:So you know, these 13-year-olds are having their eggs removed. St Jude actually holds them cryogenically for them until they're ready for free. But as far as boys go, there's not really anything that can hinder you know, help, um, I don't think that endocrinology. I did not bank cold blood. I did not. You didn't know. No, I mean, it was I always. I always knew that that was, you know, something I wish that I could invest in, but it was always so much money, you know, um but for phoenix.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean it's definitely, definitely a thing that is important my mom was in the field for 30 years, though you know so that's how I you know, you knew yeah yeah, yeah, yeah like I, I'd known, I I've known about a lot of things, like when it comes to, like reproductive and stuff like that. I mean, since I was like eight, I'd been using medical terminology. Yes, you know, so so there are things.
Speaker 3:You know that that when I had nidus, you know because, and also when I had nidus, you you know because, and also when I had Nidus, you know you guys were going through a lot too, you know, with Phoenix and stuff around the same time you know, because Nidus is is going to be um six this this year, that, uh, that you know, just just the thought of all they can do with cord blood, like even though, like you know, I do have, like this, I I don't, I don't believe in cloning, you know, but like cloning organs when you need them is a totally different story, you know. And by banking cord blood, like literally, if not just got his arm chopped off, like they could grow him a new arm and a tube you know, and and transplanted onto him.
Speaker 3:You know, and as a mom, like you know, I was really worried about for banking, you know. But knowing, knowing all the things that it will save him from if they ever come up, you know it just outweighs, you know, whatever. Like keep my dna in a bank, I don't care, you know like, but save my child, you know, in well, for us at saint jude, you essentially sign everything away, you give that blood away and you sign that blood away, every bit of blood that he's ever given.
Speaker 2:They can go test for anything they want to yeah they can use his blood for whatever they want to, because that you know it's a research hospital. People forget that. Yeah, um yeah, we were told that our son had a rat with his mrn number. So there's a rat somewhere 504-89.
Speaker 3:But you would rather that than him not being here today? I would. And if you're going.
Speaker 2:So Iliad, he was one. He had ATRT, which is a very aggressive form of tumor, that Arabinoid tumors. They just they do not respond to chemo at all, they just they just grow and grow and grow, um, no matter what. And so Iliad was. It was a month before his first birthday when he passed and he had, you know this, this brain cancer. And so they, the doctors, called my girl Tess, two, three months after Ilya died, and they said we just want you to know that your son saved all these lives. They put his tumor in rats and they sent these rats around the world, to labs, to scientists, world-renowned scientists around the globe, um, so that people could test on these rats, so that top scientists of the world could find something out about atr so it doesn't happen to another kid.
Speaker 2:And so, as much as I hate a lot of the things that are being done, I know that there is still good science out there and that there are wonderful things that come from the openness of our parents. You know sharing our kids' DNA with the world, but you know coming from where I come from, it feels.
Speaker 3:I mean, if everybody said no, you know and, and I think it, yeah, it's important, I mean it's still, you know, pediatric cancer gets four percent of research from the us government, so it's still not fucking enough to do anything.
Speaker 2:We wouldn't be using chemos from the 50s that were for adults and permanently destroying these children, like, oh, we don't have cancer anymore, but you've got this and this and this and this. Or the kids that get the radiation and they're like, okay, well, we cured you from this, but now you have leukemia. Oh, we, we saved you from osteosarcoma and we did have to chop off a leg. Um, but now you have leukemia too. I have a 16 or maybe he's 19, now 19. He's on his third cancer.
Speaker 3:He's on his third cancer, not from cancer, from treatment, um so it's like that was my big concern with this thing on my shoulder was it looked like black through the skin, but it was from where it had been rubbing on my shirt and stuff I'm really glad that your dermatologist was there to listen to you I mean yeah, and at least ease your qualms about.
Speaker 2:You know, is this a tumor?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, you know, definitely, and and and they're still, you know, gonna look at it and get it checked out. You know, even though, it had a nice like amber color, you know and it looked like he got everything from what I saw, and I'm happy with you. Know, I'd rather have the scar on my back, you know than this foreign object you know, or the wondering that comes along with it. I went to my dermatologist and I was like I have skin cancer and he was like that's a sebaceous oil gland.
Speaker 2:You need to calm the fuck down. And I was like, oh, thanks doc. Yeah, yeah, you need to calm the fuck down.
Speaker 3:and I was like, oh, thanks doc yeah, yeah, you know, like I was I at first, you know I was expecting to just be something like a blackhead or whatever you know, but my mom and my sister's like we're, we're experts Dr Chandra Lee certified. You know, my baby sister wanted to be a dermatologist and actually was like starting, you know, to go through all the steps of doing that, you know, but, uh, but I uh, you know, yeah, like I got a whole medical family and none of us.
Speaker 3:It wasn't, it was foreign to all of us you know, and then and then, like I said, it doubled in size. And when it doubled in size it became painful and it was way bigger than I thought you know it was. It was almost three times the size of what I thought it was wow you know so, so I I I'm glad that that happened you know, I'm glad that it worked out. Like I said, even with this huge wound, you know like I feel better already yeah.
Speaker 3:I feel better already. I got a little and there's so much worry on my shoulder you know, you're not you're not wondering anymore, so that's a good feeling too yeah, and I mean, you know I can feel like like my lower two vertebrae in my neck are like trying to like go back in to fill that space, but they'd been riding on the side for so long so there's a little discomfort there, but I know that it's, it's coming back together, you know so.
Speaker 3:I mean, and I've uh, I've been pretty diligent on taking, you know, my, my medicines, and I've been doing fish oil supplement and shark cartilage, so that'll help me I was gonna ask you, patty, if you were still taking the, the beef collagen I do I changed my.
Speaker 1:I changed the kind of collagen that I take um. It's a very specific kind of collagen um that I do take, but I take collagen every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's interesting, it's when I, when I did my research, I discovered that, for what this might be, there's a very specific kind of collagen to take. It wasn't the collagen that I was that I was taking, so it comes in like little little capsules. So yeah, I do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, it's like vitamin B. There's like several different forms of vitamin b so I'm like take the complex actually bad. Yeah, yeah and then and then. Only one of them is actually good, yeah, I mean that was one of the things.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to figure out the fat.
Speaker 3:You know, I thought that there's a good fat. There is a good fat is saturated fat and bad fat is trans fat or yeah, trans fat.
Speaker 1:You want to stay away from anything with trans fats but, like saturated fats, are good yeah, like you're talking like animal fat, like you know, and and like clean animal fat.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing like with um, you know, like in beef, you know, I, I just I think that beef has kind of gotten a bad name, but it's mostly because of industrialized, the way that we, the way that we raise beef and the things that we inject into beef are really bad. As a matter of fact, like that might be part of what's been going on for me, because there's a certain um I forget what it's called, but like um, there's something present in beef that um, um, that's really bad for our, our joints and everything. So beef in itself is, if it's, if it's, if it's um, not organic beef. If it's, uh, you know, fed all the right, the right, you know, and raised and injected and all of the way that they um, that they do regular beef, there's a lot of really bad things in it, unfortunately, and that's what makes beef unhealthy. It's not so much the beef now they're 3d printing meat too yeah, that's just, that's just crazy oh what, what world Lab-grown meat.
Speaker 3:But just to get back to your fats, it's the same.
Speaker 1:You can't even know how do you know anymore? Yeah, it's frankenmeat.
Speaker 3:It's like that TikTok they're going to know they're never going to know. No, they know, they're not.
Speaker 1:But you know, like the fats, like so you know how, like you have like an overall score, um and um, for your cholesterol, uh, if you, when you get your blood tested, so there's the hdl and the ldl and whatever, and so like you have your good fat and your bad fat and you just kind of I'm and you want to make sure that you're that the good fat is a, you know, is like a high I have this paperwork right now.
Speaker 2:I have like I have to go call for my blood work last week. Cause I didn't get the answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll find out what my cholesterol was Hi.
Speaker 2:So is mine. Yeah, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of, there's a lot of craziness about cholesterol and I know that it you know, somebody listening to this and listening to me right now would be like Patty, don't say that, but like there's a lot of new stuff coming out right now about how we've been. It's another area we've been duped Like oh, your cholesterol is over 200. You need to take these statins and these stat statins. Statins are the cause of so much bullshit going on in people's bodies Like statins are really bad for you. I don't know why they are still prescribing statins. They're horrible and so like I know, for instance, that my cholesterol is a little bit, is a little bit high. But when I was talking to my mom, she's, she's like my mom is 125 pounds, you know, and and she's like in great shape and everything, and her cholesterol is like two, 13, like, and she watches every single thing she puts in her mouth. So um, uh, but she says the cholesterol in her family runs high.
Speaker 1:And so all of our cholesterol, because genetically it runs high. So don't let a doctor say, oh, your cholesterol is high, so you need to be on statins.
Speaker 3:My total cholesterol is 183. And that's in range, that's under the 200 or whatever. But then my HDL cholesterol is 37 and that says it's low. And then my triglycerides were 170 and my LDL cholesterol was 117, and both of those are high so what's the one that they say?
Speaker 1:it's low the HDL the HDL is low so that's the one that you want to bring up, that's a good cholesterol. Yeah, so that's your olive oils.
Speaker 2:Your avocados, your avocado oils.
Speaker 3:Yeah, straight, because I did switch from coconut oils.
Speaker 1:Coconut oils good. More so too, coconut oils good.
Speaker 3:Olive oils Okay, well, well, both of those. Well, you know, so you have to.
Speaker 2:There's a test people are buying olive oil and olive oil is not fucking olive oil anymore, so there's a test you can take your olive oil, and I actually watched a video this woman. She took, believe it or not, a marker. What is it makers? Whatever makers.
Speaker 1:What is it? Makers whatever.
Speaker 2:Makers Mark out of Costco.
Speaker 1:Oh is it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever the brand, the brand from Costco or Sam's Club or have you, and they used it against Bertoli. And they put these bottles in the fridge. Right, because true olive oil at a refrigerated temperature will begin to harden.
Speaker 1:Will begin to become solidified.
Speaker 2:This woman had all of these olive oils, Bertolli, still liquid. They're all made with canola oil and shit. So here you think you're using olive oil that's good for your body and in the meantime you're using fucking canola oil.
Speaker 1:Seed oils, which are horrible for us Seed oils which are so bad I recommend that if?
Speaker 2:you are using a brand of olive oil that you really like to test it in the fridge and make sure that you're really using olive oil when you think you're using olive oil. I have come to start buying olive oil from other countries like Greece.
Speaker 3:Morocco and most of the tj maxx is um spice rack and all of stuff is all imported or organic or whatever but there's a reason they're selling it at tj maxx yeah, double check it, inoki, so I would use I would just just do the test.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for shits.
Speaker 1:And and here's the thing. So here you have somebody who's trying to do the right thing, right, she's trying to do the right thing, and you have these folks like olive oil is supposed to be really good for you. So you've got somebody who's cooking with olive oil, coconut oil, whatever, and it could be that what she's doing unwittingly is really bad for her, but she thinks she's doing something because, because we're being lied to. So I would just, you know, I would just double check that a no key I use very, I don't use as much olive oil anymore. I'll do ghee. You know, I'll do olive oil Some. Yeah, I'll do ghee, but, um, you know so.
Speaker 1:But at any rate, my doctor said that, michael, like she hasn't given me the specific numbers, but when I go in for my follow up, we'll look at the specific numbers and I tell you what, if this doctor insists that I go on statins, I'm going to look for another doctor. That's right. I'm going to look for another freaking doctor because it's like I don't want to have a doctor. That's right, I'm going to look for another freaking doctor because it's like I don't want to have a doctor. You know, if you are a doctor who's telling me I should be on statins, then I don't trust you. That's right. Honestly, if you are an honest doctor who knows what the hell they're talking about, why in the world would you tell anyone to go on statins? And so I'm hoping that that doesn't happen because I really like her. But it'll be a litmus test for whether or not I keep this doctor or not.
Speaker 1:But a lot of times, you know, people are just like I don't want to change my doctor. This doctor has all my records, you know, is you know, whatever? And I'm at this point where it's like no, if you're, if you're not going to pass that basic test, then I have to find another doctor. But it's really hard. It's really hard to find doctors who, who, who think that nutrition is important. For instance, like you went to a chiropractor and in that office you have a nutritionist. But in most doctors offices that's not. That's not the case. They don't have a nutritionist on. In most doctor's offices that's not, that's not the case. They don't have a nutritionist on hand and say well, why don't you sit down with the nutritionist and talk about them?
Speaker 2:no, there's a holistic doctor here that you can take. You got that blood work in your hand. You could call him up, make an appointment. He would. He's a hematologist and been in pharmacology enough that he has a degree in both or what have you. He's well-versed in both, so he'll take your blood work and then he will use the information that he's given to give you holistic correspondences for what you're already on, what you could come off of, what you could use in place of that, and I think that that's really, really powerful. There needs to be more doctors like Seth, who have chosen a path of righteousness and honesty and healing.
Speaker 1:I think that that is something that we'll see more and more of. I mean, I don't you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:We already do, I mean, since I don't know. You know like there's a whole generation combating it too, you know, and then a whole nother group distorting. You know about being diligent and putting light on things that are good, you know, and people that are doing good, you know, and then not giving the light to the people that are that are screwing it all up. I don't want to validate or even say your name, you know. If you're not, you know, doing something you know for the for the better you know of of everyone, if you're not doing what you're supposed to do with hair I I don't, I don't even want to bring you up.
Speaker 3:You know you're going to leave my mind as fast as you go in and I'm going to remember that there's people like you, but I'm not going to tell a single person.
Speaker 1:Your name's right to go, fine, well, yeah I mean, you know, and unfortunately the you know going back to officialdom, you have doctors who some some, uh, you know, of the most corrupt doctors are the most award-winning doctors.
Speaker 3:That's right you know, yeah, but we validate people. Our, our choice of care, our direction is what validates all of it.
Speaker 1:Well, right, but okay, all right. So you want to buy a product, right, you go and you look for the reviews, you go and look for the reports on it, the consumer reports, blah, blah, blah. The thing is is that if those are corrupt, then you can unwittingly buy a product that's faulty. I'm just giving an analogy buy a product that's faulty based on things that you thought you could trust. And so what I'm saying is the institutions that supposedly give stamps of approval for doctors in great standing or have done great things for humanity, are awarding them for faulty science. So Fauci is one of the most awarded doctors and he's the most corrupt that man should be, you know, should be put away forever.
Speaker 3:It's like you're saying go into your doctor. If your doctor puts you on Stamina, you're not going to go to her again, Right? No, exactly On this level now.
Speaker 1:But I will tell you that how I chose her right. So how I chose her is I went, you know, and you kind of go through. You know I'm new, I've got to choose my doctor. I'm going through all of the doctors that are covered under my insurance Exactly.
Speaker 1:So all of the doctors that are covered under my insurance, exactly. So I'm checking that. I'm checking, like, what are her accolades? Like you know, what awards has she gotten? How has she been recognized? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm looking, I'm like, wow, this is really impressive.
Speaker 1:And then I talked to. I talked to the person at the front desk and she said, oh yes, this doctor, she's very thorough, she's very committed and everything. And I think, okay, well then, this sounds like and I even told the woman at the front desk it's like I don't want to go to a doctor who's going to push all kinds of medication on me. I'm not going to do it. So I'm looking for a doctor who acknowledges holistic approaches to healthcare, because that's me. And she said, oh well, this doctor, it sounds like she's be a good match for you. So I'm kind of going through a series of you know like, okay, so this woman says, okay, she sounds like she would be a good match, because this is kind of the kind of doctor she is. I looked at her awards you know what I mean and I looked at the reviews and I'm like, okay, I think she's a match for me.
Speaker 3:But we'll see how she listens to me, how she treats me so like there was one surgeon that would operate on Phoenix.
Speaker 2:There was one surgeon who came forward and he was like I'll do the liver transplant. And so we Google dude. We're like let's see what dude's about, dude, we're like let's see what dude's about. Well, we realized that this is the same surgeon that operated on Steve jobs and replaced Steve jobs liver. That I mean, you don't really get um more rapport than that. If you've got billionaires coming to you for a liver transplant, I'm assuming that my son is in the best hands with you Now. This man still turned around and said things like you know, phoenix was unvaccinated in Okie prior to cancer treatment, and this man looked me dead in my eyes and said I will not put my liver.
Speaker 1:This man looked me dead in my eyes and said I will not put my liver.
Speaker 2:So you own the liver coming out of a dying child that you're going to put into my dying child? You own that fucking liver. Yeah, I mean, I'm just the God complex of these people. Okay, so I will vaccinate my child so that he can get a life-saving treatment of a liver transplant Absolutely. But the bedside manner and the fact that this man didn't give a fuck about his patients. What he cared about was his statistics.
Speaker 1:And his reputation.
Speaker 2:After he explained to me I'm going to chop your son's vena cava from here to here in the most grotesque, detailed form he could possibly describe to me what he was going to do to my two-year-old. He then shows me but these are my stats, so no worries, because I'm in 98% survival rate and kids don't die on my table. Okay, I mean, this is the type of shit and I didn't have a choice. There was no like well, I'm going to find another surgeon because your bedside manner is fucked. Yeah, that wasn't an option. You know, I was stuck. We were stuck with what we had and all I could do was pray, pray that the right surgeon was going to.
Speaker 2:I had a vision that there was a surgeon who would allow spirit to move his hand when he was using the scalpel, for whatever reason. There was something that there needed to be, like somebody that would allow spirit to take over. And there was one surgeon that came in and said I will absolutely not operate on your child. And I knew that he wasn't the surgeon that was going to allow spirit to come through him. Now it's hard to believe that this guy that ended up operating on him was the one, but he was, he was, he was the one.
Speaker 1:He might not even be fully conscious that that's what he does.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. He doesn't even realize. You know, he acted like Dr Strange before the accident.
Speaker 1:OK, this man well, because he's, because if spirit is moving through him, then he's practically a a miracle maker in the in the surgery room which is why his dots look like they do.
Speaker 2:He doesn't even know that and he thinks it's him.
Speaker 1:He thinks it's all him. You know he thinks it's all him. But you know, here's the thing, sometimes so it's really. I mean, so you were in a position where the very best person to put your, your son's, life in into his hands, you know, was like kind of a bastard, but he turns out to be the right one and it turns out that spirit moved through his hands, the bastard that's right, you know and and so, and I mean, sometimes it's just like that and we can have all of these, these judgments and all of it, whatever.
Speaker 1:And thank goodness you had that little dream that showed you that and everything, and so you kind of knew I need to kind of step back and believe and have faith that this is the surgeon, even though he's kind of a bastard yeah, you know, and you know it's funny because the oncologist whom I love to this day dearly, I mean there was a day that I snapped and I was like, take these fucking IVs out of my kid, I'm taking him home.
Speaker 2:It was a day that the surgeon said he wouldn't operate on my kid. I said absolutely not. You're not going to put my son through chemo and then tell me you're not going to operate on him. I'm taking my son home and the oncologist held me and he said please just give me a chance. And to this day he'll. He'll knock on his head when he sees us, like, knock on wood. I told you, he loves to tell me. I told you, but when he says it it's not coming from a place of ego, it's coming from a place of love because he wanted to save my child, right.
Speaker 2:So you've got this guy acting like a complete ego douche. But then you've got the oncologist showing up at the transplant hospital with jeans and a t-shirt on, coming into my room and ICU, into Phoenix's room, and saying I just had to look at him. I knew he hated the surgeon. They did not get along because Dr Papo could see him, you know. But he said I had to come lay eyes on him and I had to come tell you. The surgeon told me it was a perfect fit, and I'm not supposed to tell you this, but it was a three-year-old liver, so it was literally like it was made for him, the way it went into him. He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to show up in jeans and a t-shirt to a different hospital for a patient that wasn't his problem anymore. You know, there are real doctors out there that give a shit. Yeah, really, truly care.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really truly care, um, and I'm so grateful that he gave me that little piece of knowledge because, I've held on to that, knowing that you know that child was a year older, has has grown with my son and is now. You know that liver is nine, my son is eight. I know that it's a girl, I feel it in my heart. Phoenix, says she when we refer to the person that has never belonged to um, but yeah, you know, in all of it there are always, always ones. There's always somebody that's there for the right reason yeah and you just have to.
Speaker 1:You know, when you find them, you just gotta hold on to them and have a little trust in your heart, you know yeah, I, I just think, like I I think that that's such an important lesson, um, even like in general, that spirit does move through people um to get things done, um Listen with your heart. Yeah, listen with your Well, maybe, but you know, for Taylor though it's.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like he was heart forward. No, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:He was a bastard, like spirit, does work through bastards Spirit works. Yeah, you know, because sometimes a bastard can pull it off.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's true, sometimes because he's the only one like that and baldy enough to pull the move off in the first place right exactly it's like, let me have his back on this, because we need this kid spirit here. The kid's not leaving yet, or you know and it just goes to.
Speaker 1:It just goes to show you that it's just another indication that the spirit world isn't as judgmental as we are ah, what a beautiful conundrum of life, isn't it?
Speaker 2:though?
Speaker 1:you can be a shitty person and spirit will still work through you, because spirit's not out here biased, because spirit is actually looking at who's we've got to, we've got to take care of business and who's going to get the job done, and so we'll work through this person even. And this person isn't even going to know and isn't going to give spirit credit and it's going to kind of let it all fill his head or whatever, um, and be kind of a bastard. But we don't.
Speaker 1:It's okay, because we're helping the ones who need help it's possible, as always this has been really a wonderful conversation with you guys and I love you guys.
Speaker 3:I love you guys and I love you guys.
Speaker 1:I love you guys, so much.
Speaker 3:Drive safe. I'll update you next week. Have a safe trip Next weekend.
Speaker 1:I hope everyone has a great week.
Speaker 3:I hope everybody gets Taylor's weather too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope I keep my weather that. Tennessee sunshine, maybe because they're not chemtrailing, apparently, in your state anymore.
Speaker 2:that's a conversation for next week we'll talk about that next week, alright, I love you guys, love you guys, love you, girls you.