Patti Talks Too Much
Hi. I'm Patti and it's been said - many times - that I talk too much. I'm a teacher, author, nature lover and for ten years I owned a coffeehouse cafe where my faith in the goodness of humans was restored every day. This podcast highlights the awesomeness of humanity - er...outside the warmongers, globalists, tyrants and politicians in general. You know, the rest of us weird, quirky and sometimes hilarious humans.
We'll talk woo, probe mysteries and leave you thinking about something more interesting or entertaining or uplifting than your grocery list, or boss or that oil change your car needs.
I talk too much because I can't help my Gemini moon and Leo Rising nature. I do a podcast because it's cheaper, funnier and more productive than therapy.
Patti Talks Too Much
Embracing Outlier Pride, the Dance of Patience, and Hawk Medicine Insights
Hey there, beautiful minds! It's Patti, your notorious chatterbox from Patti Talks Too Much, and guess what? My dear friends Anoki and Taylor and I are back, spilling more tea like we did back in our cozy South Florida café days. We've woven together tales of our unlikely trio—three women embracing their outlier status—with belly laughs and some serious soul-searching. This week, we're digging into how a name that was once a jab has become our banner of pride, and why sometimes, a good ol' friendship declutter is just what the doctor ordered.
In our latest heart-to-heart, we're pulling back the curtain on the unpredictable lessons that life hurls our way. Picture Taylor, in the trenches of the service industry, learning the hard way that patience isn't just a virtue—it's a survival skill. Anoki and I dissect the delicate tango between standing your ground and avoiding outright conflict, all while navigating through the beautiful mess that is personal growth. It's all about striking that sweet spot between order and chaos, and trust us, it's as tricky as it sounds!
We wrap things up with a foray into the mystical, courtesy of Taylor and her animal totem cards from the Wild Unknown Animal Spirit Guidebook. Ever wonder what wisdom a hawk circling the sky might hold for you? We share some of that 'hawk medicine,' offering a fresh lens to view your life's challenges and triumphs. So, fluff up those feathers and join us for a flight of introspection. And to you, our cherished listeners across the globe—your ears and hearts mean the world to us. Keep sharing your energy with us, and let's soar into the next conversation together.
if you are joining us from any of the live stream sites or if you're joining us later on podcast, you know, on our podcast then we want to say thank you for joining us. Thank you for popping in. My name's Patty with Patty Talks Too Much. And this is my dear friend Enoki. We are expecting, expecting Taylor, taylor. Often, you know, she works, and because she's a waitress, she works very, very late on Friday nights and so Saturday mornings can be a little rough for her, so sometimes she arrives a little later, so we look forward to her showing up.
Speaker 2:But I do want to say just a few words on who we are. So we're not gurus, we're not, you know. We're ordinary women who, um, came together years ago, met at a little cafe that I ran in South Florida, and we are, um, we're deep thinking women, we're rebellious women, um, we're um kind of outliers in our own respect and, um, you know we've taken our hits for that, um, but we come together, uh, our, our bond has remained over the years and the cafe is long gone and we live in different places now, um, and our bond has continued, and so this is a weekly time that we connect and have a conversation about what's going on in our lives, what's going on in the world, how we understand it different perspectives, but it's a conversation that we do once a week and we do hope that if you're popping in and into our conversation and listening in, that you find some value in listening in to a conversation among three ordinary women who are kind of extraordinary in our own right in terms of the kinds of things that we, in terms of the kinds of things that we've done or the kinds of things that we've experienced or endeavored in our lives, and we kind of bring all of that into our conversations. There might be if you're new, you might wonder why it's. Patty talks too much and I've mentioned this before.
Speaker 2:I've been told in the past that I talk too much. I was told once by a person who I shared a podcast with that I talk too much and I think that this is my way of being really funny about it and humorous about it. It might be true that I talk too much. Well, I talk about it and humorous about it. Might be true that I talk too much, but I actually think that sometimes people who are told that they talk too much, it's not so much that we use up too many words, because then we try to talk in whatever way they want us to talk, it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:But, like, I think sometimes we talk about the wrong things. You know, we talk about things that people might be uncomfortable with or it might be that they're not talking enough. So, and I think that was the case for this, this other podcaster that I that I worked with, briefly and honestly, I'm kind of glad that that ended, because I don't think that it would have gone very far anyway. But so I enjoy these every week and I also, you know, I think that there was a time in my life when I really did talk a lot more than I talk now. But you know, I do have a Gemini moon and we love to talk. It's just, you know, it's it's my nature. I mean, I'm a teacher, I talk like we, we just some, some people just really, really like to talk and it's our way of kind of processing how we understand the world and kind of processing how we understand the world and and so hopefully, you know, there people will get some value from my capacity to to talk too much. But anyway, I've embraced it and and so that's why it's called Patty Patty talks too much, because I kind of I laugh about it now. Maybe I do, maybe I don't, I don't care, I talk too much, whatever. So anyway, I want to give a thank you to the people who might be joining us from around the country. There are a lot of people and around the world who check out our podcast, as far as Japan, iceland, places in Europe and throughout North America. So we appreciate you popping in and listening in on our conversation and we hope that we bring some value to your week. We're going to jump into this. We were just talking about how broadly we want this like the reach of what we do on Saturday mornings. So I think we've done 16 podcasts so far, and so this is like the 17th, and I go back and forth about it.
Speaker 2:When I first started this podcast, this is something that I wanted to share with you, enoki. We really appreciate this. When I first started this podcast, I had completely purged and I think that this is healthy. It's almost like doing a cleanse, but like a spiritual cleanse. I think that every once in a while, you have to look at all your contacts, you have to look at all those people you follow online, all of that stuff, and say does this still resonate with me, is this still aligned with my sensibilities? And if it's not, delete, delete, delete, delete. And I think that that's what I did, especially after that situation with a woman who was doing a podcast with me. After that I actually purged a whole bunch of channels that I followed, pages that I followed, just delete. I don't want to have anything to do with you, I don't want to know what you're doing. I just want to completely clear my life of all of these light worker type spiritual folks who you know I don't resonate with anymore like some people.
Speaker 1:Some people are out there, just, you know, there for a show, you know there's a difference between feeling something and and living it like it loses its humility, like you know, after a while, like something really beautiful, could become like kind of vulgar and shaming you know, any, any like extreme group.
Speaker 1:You know you end up, you end up really hurt by, because you're blindsided by it, because they're supposed to be, you know, the best people you know, and then you feel so betrayed and you want to protect yourself and you want to keep yourself safe. You know it's sometimes I feel like certain places in the spiritual communities that I've been have been just as harsh as certain places in the christian community is just the extremism of any direction, exactly.
Speaker 2:We've talked about this, I so agree with you. And like so much of my life has been like trying to escape one extreme and falling into a situation where I'm dealing with another.
Speaker 2:And I think along the way, if you don't get bitter, you get really wise. Good morning, you grow wisdom. Good morning, taylor. We were just, you know, I I started off talking just kind of thanking folks who might be listening in around the world, you know, because we do have folks who kind of tune in from Norway and different places around around the world. You know, because we do have folks who kind of tune in from Norway and different places around around the world and around North America and it's, you know, nice to have people pop in and listen in on our conversations, and so I was just kind of doing a little recap but, you know, also talking about escaping a lot of, or or actually it began, I think we talked about like purging, like every once in a while, like doing a cleanse. Like those of us who are spiritual, sometimes we have to kind of do a cleanse of the people we're connected with and the sites and the channels and the people we follow and everything.
Speaker 1:It's like saying, you know does this still resonate with me? Because I think this is because yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it might be toxic at this point. So maybe I should. You know, just like a cleanse. It's like, let me get rid of that. I was. I was just sharing just briefly when I had that very brief podcast. After that it was like I did a purge and I just kind of just disengaged with a lot, of, a lot of folks that I had been following for years and I just kind of cut it off and I was talking to a kind of a woman who's a visionary that I, that I speak to every once in a while, and she was like, yeah, spiritual people have to do that. We have to do a cleanse every once in a while and just clear the slate and then add in what yeah, add in what resonates as you go, but absolutely, enoki spending time and Enoki and I were talking about how reclusive we've gotten.
Speaker 3:It's really funny Whenever that happens in my life like a special or somebody that was relevant gets cleansed, or somebody that was relevant gets cleansed. Isn't it interesting how someone new always finds their way in or something happens to where you know that it was meant to be or something new is coming?
Speaker 1:you know yeah.
Speaker 3:So many times I've, you know, decided I'm going to be done with this person. But it would make me lonely.
Speaker 2:If you have a genuine connection, though, then years can go by, you reconnect and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So sometimes you know you look at something one way for so long you got to step away from it. I've been working on myself and things that I haven't been feeling so great about. You know, before I really get back into drawing a lot of light to myself.
Speaker 2:Listen, I just want to. I'm hearing an echo.
Speaker 1:I have a headphone, yeah.
Speaker 2:You have your headphones in too. Why am I hearing that echo?
Speaker 3:I don't have a headphones today.
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't have headphones today. Does one of the kids have your headphones?
Speaker 3:Porter bathed my headphones in a jar of peanut butter and they were not recoverable when I started this, my intention was I was just going to start from zero.
Speaker 2:I was just going to start from zero. We were going to have these conversations and just see who finds it. It's really about us hanging out really.
Speaker 3:But I think that kind of attitude brings synchronicities to the table that are like really beautiful, because the people who are meant to find it will yeah exactly. Because we're not pushing it in a certain direction or pushing a certain agenda. If it resonates with you and you come across to us, it was meant to be.
Speaker 1:Really it's food for thought, everything, all of it.
Speaker 2:And you're not. Yeah, I mean, we're also not beholden, Like I didn't want to be beholden, to people who knew me five, 10 years ago and expected something, Because the woman that they knew five, 10 years ago she's changed.
Speaker 3:Well, listen, I'm exhausted, as per usual. I'm on the cusp of running myself into the ground at work, but it's funny how those lessons come through. My lesson this week LOL to anybody from work watching but my lesson this week was to learn how to shut the fuck up 36. Still learning. I've shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:It's funny how you found out I'm gonna be, I can be such a mature professional. And then I find myself angry with myself, because why the fuck did you have to say that on the the outside, that if I get pushed far enough, I'm gonna say the thing said some things that's always been the case.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's kind of like you you embrace chaos and so you think like chaos doesn't have a voice.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. I just sit in the caboose of this roller coaster and hope that I can see the next turn coming and know that there's a drop coming at some point, but I'm on for the ride. A lot of times I reference chaos to the way that we discuss good and bad. Right, good cannot exist without bad. Ying yang, chaos and order are the same. There would be no order if there was no chaos. Everything we know cosmically was born from chaos. Right, the stars exploding, all of that organized chaos. So I resonate with that, because that's even how creation came about. And I'm not saying I dislike order, because there is a time and a place for order. I do, however, as you do tooatti, in your own way. I love to devil's advocate some shit and stir the pot a little. On occasion, you do these things.
Speaker 2:Sure, are you going to share the moment when you thought you should shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1:Wait, did you find out?
Speaker 3:Did you find out? I always find out because I fuck around, um. So there was an instance where, um I was waiting on a very large party of young people. It was was an event after school event. It was late. They all come in. There's not an adult with them.
Speaker 2:It's like a graduation celebration kind of thing.
Speaker 3:So they're all in sequins. They can't even fit in the chairs because the girls' dresses are too tight. What made it work? There's 16 of them. They all want separate checks. I was only with one other person on the floor, with two people running the entire restaurant. I'm running the food, I'm greeting the tables, I'm waiting on the tables, I'm busting the tables, I'm I'm doing all of the work right. I had a 10 top and a seven top and a four top and a five top and two top. We were slammed. So when it came time for checks, they wanted 16 separate checks.
Speaker 3:That's going to take a second, so I go to the and a parent arrives and we say hello, we greet each other, I'm telling her I'm, you know, getting these checks ready. They had clearly the adults had clearly been out, perhaps cocktailing or something. So the father comes in like what, what's taking so long? And, um, he says to me how were they? To which I had already responded to the wife they were angels. However, as he asks me to, I hear everything. I hear the mom look at the son and say upon him what should I tip her? To which the son responded zero. So this is all simultaneously happening, while the husband says to me how were they? And you know my slick ass.
Speaker 3:I responded with they were great until right now and walked away, to which I was followed by the mother down the galley and verbally went in on me and I explained to her how could you treat children like that? She says to me Baby, I didn't treat children like that.
Speaker 2:She says to me baby.
Speaker 3:I didn't like anything. I said I gave your children the same service that I would have given my sons had they been sitting at a table with their friends on prom night. That is a memorable night. I wanted it to be special for them. I didn't get to do things like that. I treat children better than I treat adults at tables, I promise so. Uh, I was. I was like that's, that's not how this happened, et cetera, et cetera. I tried to, you know, discuss it with her. She was not having it. She walks back to the table and tells everyone all 16 of them. Don't tip her at all, let's go. These kids get up and leave. Not all their tabs were paid. What Upon fucking around, I decided to go outside and get my tabs paid. Second mistake so I get outside. Husband and wife are in a very nice luxury vehicle and I'm like, hey, there's an unpaid tab. I do apologize for everything that happened inside, um, but I do need this tab paid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, you do need to pay for your food. So you're telling them.
Speaker 3:It's not the tip and you're telling them to run out on their tabs. Great parenting. I finally realized I'm not going to get anywhere with this woman. I have to stop on that and, trust me, I've already made it ahead Like that's time to stop. So I say you know what, forget about it, I'll eat this tab. You know you guys have a great night. So what she responds oh well, you're not going to have a great night. So when she responds, oh well, you're not gonna have a good night, you're harassing us. Now she comes back inside the restaurant to then across my manager and at some point I should have walked away, but I sat there and continued.
Speaker 1:Now listen, I come from a different place so they can't walk out on you should have gone and got a manager.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the manager I had already I had already okay, but at the end of the day, it shouldn't have gone down that way. As a parent, you should have handled that differently. As a server, I should have handled it differently.
Speaker 3:Um so, because it's been a long time since I've been a server a bartended for years but, I have this thing about me where I take my job and it's a serving job right, I'm walking. My mind is set Like I'm a surgeon, like I take my job so seriously that I'm going to give you the best service. Right, it's like do you even know how far above and beyond have gone for you? Or let me show you what good services, even though I know the last few times you've come in you've left me zero dollars. I always keep this channel open, like this channel that the good is coming to me, the money is coming to me, the lucky table, but one table that's the one table can fuck up your night. And then there's another table that's going to come in and change that's going to make it.
Speaker 2:You know that's going to make an authentic connection.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, you never know who you're gonna meet who you're gonna wait, you have no idea what experiences you're gonna have. I learned that on palm beach island, waiting on people on palm beach island. At 16 years old, I waited on people that I didn't even know were famous, so it was really funny how I learned how to behave at that age, but to also never take anything. You know, take advantage of the situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was your training ground.
Speaker 3:It was, it was, and what a beautiful place. I mean, I waited on a lot of really awesome people. I've waited on some wonderful, wonderful, you know people who are high up there. I'll never forget the maestro. What a wonderful man, wonderful conversation. Conversations had with him, but but it prepared me. It was a precipice for me becoming a really great server and a really great service industry member, because I treated everybody like they were.
Speaker 2:You know someone special when you think about the interaction that you had last night you began the conversation with. I should have shut the fuck up. Yes, I actually think that all all right and I could be wrong, so correct me, I'm wrong just from like this perspective right?
Speaker 2:I think that it wasn't so much I should have shut the fuck up. I think that your perspective like you, you are able to read a room, you are able to read a table and you are able to kind of adjust your perspective and your expectations accordingly and I think that there were part of you was getting this information on this table like, oh boy, there's a bunch of young kids during their little tight dresses, blah, blah, all this stuff. Like you were getting these messages, but for some reason, I think some of those messages that would could have been warning flags about this table and you would have strategized accordingly and put your perspective according to these red flags. I think and tell me if I'm wrong there were also young people, teenagers, and you have teenagers and there was something that canceled out your spidey sense.
Speaker 3:I mean I would definitely bestowed as much grace as I had to give that night on that table and you know there's so many tables like that in a day and at the end of the day, when I say I should have shut the fuck up was really when my manager came out and had to put his hand up at me, like it's time for you to shut the fuck up. And you know I have problems with authority, but I also have a sense about me that becomes authoritative because I do like a manager for the most part. Now, my mouth might not act that way all the time but yes, I gauge my tables based on all sorts of things and I read all of that, I know what you're doing.
Speaker 3:I know how I have to speak when I walk up to this table. As a matter of fact, my manager was laughing at me the other night because I had this really adorbs gay couple. And so I got to the table and I was like how is it Like, how are we doing over here? And then I get to another table and I'm like y'all all right, can I get y'all anything Right? And he's like what fucking range was that just there?
Speaker 3:I'm like the restaurant floor is my stage darling. So what's the takeaway? The bottom line is hindsight's always 20-20.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And I love when grace washes over me. And even at 36, I'm still learning how to not let people get my goat Because, at the end of the day, although I let that woman get to me because the people around me see me, because I'm so authentic and and so genuine and I bust my ass so hard, I made more money that night on donations for, for from from guests that weren't even mine. And then another beautiful thing happened. It was the universe going. We love you. I go to my little restaurant behind my house. I go there a lot, but when we go there I tip an excessive amount of money Because these people bust their ass and they do everything like I do.
Speaker 3:I mean this restaurant is run by the servers and bartender. Big respect for them. I always tip them 80 to 100%. I'm talking 80 on a hundred dollar check. Sure, I love them, they deserve it and I. That's my backyard, so I want them to know that I'm going to take care of them when I come in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're being a good neighbor too it just so happened that while all this drama is unfolding in the middle of the restaurant, the bartender from my neighbors is sitting in my restaurant, in my section, watching it all go down and understanding with an inner knowledge. I'm also in the business and this is crazy as hell. So when I, when he leaves, he looks at me and he hands me a fat stack of cash and he said fuck them kids. Yeah, and he left me, like you know, a copious amount of money to to make up for it, and it was after he walked out, everything washed away and in the interim of that, I've still made all that money and the universe has winked at me, like you see what you give comes back to you, and that's why I do what I do and, moving forward, I know that more is expected of me.
Speaker 3:Right, I am a leader and I am an example for the younger girls that I work with.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly. You're a model and I, my only, my only thought as you were talking was because you know this, you know that it's all going to balance out. You know that you get a shitty table, you'll have five good ones that follow. So my only thought is when you're coming into that moment where it's like, oh, this is going south, these folks are nasty or they're not going to tip, or whatever, that if you can be buoyed with the knowledge that you already have that I'm going to have five to ten tables, we're going to make up for these folks. So you know what? I'm going to have five to 10 tables, we're going to make up for these folks. So you know what? I'm going to be happy, even though they're trying to stick it to me.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be so happy because, like you, can still smile, because you know what's coming, because it came before. It's always come. It's always come for you. It's kind of like an opportunity to practice your own beliefs. Yes, like in real time. Yeah, you know as it in, in the moment, as it's happening. It's like as the shit is coming to you. You know it's okay. You know I'm not going to compromise the way I am right now I can be at peace in my heart and even joyful, because I know that good things are coming.
Speaker 2:It's a way to kind of intercept those moments of reaction yeah because I I think that's what gets us in trouble is our react, like we get into a reactive state and and looking back at, like all of the you know, these reactive issues.
Speaker 3:It's like after after Phoenix, after living in a place where the only thing that mattered was true survival, not even of your body but of your spirit, and a place that would pull you down so far, like St Jude when you leave that, that these fucking problems don't seem like problems, and I think a lot of my frustration comes from that. I'm like are you fucking really mad about a pair of shoes or a sandwich to the point that you need to verbally accost someone? It's crazy.
Speaker 3:There are bigger things happening in the world and I think that a lot of my frustrations and want to put people in their place comes from that, but I have to understand that those are my lessons, right? I understand those things from a perspective that I'm not saying it's higher, but it's coming from a different place, a place of wisdom and pain.
Speaker 2:I want to keep coming back to this because I think our world is full of reaction. I think that everywhere you look in our culture, it's reaction, reaction, reaction, reaction. And reaction, in its essence, is really a destructive force. Reaction is a destructive force. Now, I'm not talking about when we are defending, you know, when we, when we rise, we rise up, we stand up, we do what we need to do to defend someone we care about, right? I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like everything is reaction, and you see these crazy videos of people going in and assaulting people at a fast food restaurant because they didn't get enough ice in their soda or like whatever.
Speaker 1:I mean like people are losing their mind, like the kids at school, attacking the teachers.
Speaker 2:Exactly it's reaction, normalized like this is just normal. Action is not normal, it is a destructive. It is a destructive inclination.
Speaker 3:So when I become reactive, I think that I'm indestructible, right, like that rage comes out and I'm like nobody can fucking touch me. But that's not the case. You know, I should have stayed inside the restaurant because, at the end of a day, people are fucking crazy and people will shoot you over a fucking cup of ice, right. Fucking crazy, and people will shoot you over a fucking cup of ice, right. So I shouldn't be chasing customers outside thinking that I'm invincible, right, because I'm not and there are crazy people out there that will put hands on you, or will you?
Speaker 3:know things against you right and so that would be a lindahl of of my reprimanding was that I need to be more safe, which I don't disagree with. But it's that feeling and that reaction you immediately are like, but really it comes from the way I was raised and that because in South Florida it's hard for everyone. It's a struggle, right, the struggle is real. No, it really is a struggle to survive.
Speaker 1:I think that's why I want to, you know, be out of South Florida all the time, you know, and like I've left and gone back and left and gone back, and left and gone back and I can't quite leave, you know, because there's some kind of Mullen Child Syndrome thing, masochism, I don't know. I've wanted to be apart from it because I feel like it's hurt me for so long and every time I'm away from there I feel so good and it's so nice to just like breathe and it's just like a relief. You know, it's like that quiet and that's like what I was talking about. Like it's like that quiet, that's what I was talking about really enjoying that and working on the things that I'm not necessarily comfortable with myself.
Speaker 1:Building myself up and developing that real relationship with what's going on with me without everybody's opinion about it.
Speaker 2:Having the space to heal and to to care for yourself. I just wanted to share that. I've been on a? Um reading. You know I love my books and so I think that, um, I'll also be sharing books, that um, that I'm reading and I'm getting stuff out of. So, um, just to start off, and Taylor, I definitely like I hope you're grabbing your cards, your medicine cards or whatever, because that would be really awesome. So Taylor, actually, besides being an herbalist, she is also intuitive and she, she's, she, she has her medicine cards and she pulls cards and I've often found readings by her very, very helpful. So I wanted to incorporate that. And I also I'm a reader. I go through these jags, like I go through periods where I don't read and then I go through periods where I can't get enough books. So right now, just to share very briefly, I am on a Malcolm Gladwell kick Now.
Speaker 2:Malcolm Gladwell wrote the Tipping Point and Blink he's. You know he's a nonfiction writer and I love, I love his stuff, I love his style. He I just finished the book Outliers, and Outliers is it's it's a story. It's, it's um, he basically talks about people who have been successful successful in athletics, successful in business or whatever, um. He basically talks about people who have been successful successful in athletics, successful in business or whatever, um, in school and whatever and he kind of demystifies it. And there are some surprising things that I learned um in this book and I will just share one story.
Speaker 2:So you have the rice patty people who grew up in the regions of China and, I think, in somewhat Japan, but in that region where they are rice patty workers and if you have a rice patty it is like the size of maybe your apartment, right, it's very. The rice patties are very small, but the work to make a rice patty productive is so meticulous and so complex and so hard that it's it's it's really, and basically the culture says you have to get up early, you have to be like everything is about hard work and focus and being meticulous and all of this and that's in the culture of the people who grow up in these regions of rice paddies. It just so happens that from those very same regions come people who are really, really good at math and a lot of times we make the assumption oh, they're Asian. So they who are extraordinary at math come from rice paddy regions where the culture was very much about you stick to it, you stick to it, you stick to it, you stick to it. You know, and it's very much part of the culture, and so they apply that to the challenges of math and become extraordinary at math.
Speaker 2:But it isn't that they have a more of an aptitude or that they're smarter they're not. They come from a culture that, literally, is the perfect culture to grow people who are really good at math. Because if you're going to be good at math, you have to have the quality of sticking to problem solving and sticking to it and sticking to it and sticking to it till you figure it out and and most of us will look at a math problem and we'll be there for like a few minutes and it's like I can't do it, I can't, I just don't have it, I just don't, I'm just not that smart and and that's not how math works. So that was just one example of how, you know, he demystifies some of the attitudes that we have about people who are particularly successful in heirs. Anyway, that was just one example, and there are so many in this book.
Speaker 2:I love this book. I am now. I am now reading talking to strangers. Talking to strangers is really about the kinds of assumptions and everything that we make when we're talking to strangers and how sometimes our lack of understanding results in tragedy, and so I don't want to give too much away. I'll talk about that next week.
Speaker 3:I'm reading a book called Abundance Alchemy and it's really stuck with me. I'm reading a book called Abundance Alchemy and it's really stuck with me and I was listening to you talk and the author of my book is an Asian woman who discusses societal norms and what's expected, you know, in these cultures where she's from, to be the best and make the most and have this house, but at the end of the day it's all the alchemical abundance of how we manifest things. So really interesting that you said that, because I was listening to you and I'm like math is a form of alchemy, yeah, it is listening to you and I'm like that's.
Speaker 3:Math is a form of alchemy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is so um so today I'm going to be pulling a card for the collective and and uh, so can we, can we like, set our intention that what do we need to know, or what do we need to take in, or what would be helpful as we move into next week?
Speaker 3:at this moment, yeah, this, this deck is the animal spirit guidebook. Um, it's the wild unknown by kim kranz, wonderful illustrator, wonderful, wonderful author. She writes children's books. She's phenomenal, phenomenal writer, um, and I resonate with how she uses animals, particularly in this deck, to send us messages. Like totems, like animal totems, yes yes, and what they represent so collectively, if there is a message coming through where we are with the sun we didn't even get to talk about, you know how we all feel after all these, these, these.
Speaker 3:X-rays Um but with everything going on and what, and you know where we are with the stars, um, what animal can collectively deliver us a message that can carry us through this week with a little wisdom, a little piece of alchemical gold?
Speaker 2:Yep, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3:So I'm going to go ahead and pull.
Speaker 2:Let's do this.
Speaker 3:Let's do this. You'll love this, guys it's a hawk.
Speaker 2:Wow, all right, so we're looking at hawk medicine for the coming week for all of us hawk medicine and I think that all three of us can deeply relate to hawk.
Speaker 3:I think that all three of us have some serious hawk medicine yeah, in our totem. Um, sometimes I look at enoki and I'm like she is definitely like one of your closer totems like right with me in the car I had a hawk florida, that would come when I called him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3:And one day, before I moved, I said can you just leave me a piece of you? And he shook and dropped a feather. I think we just discussed this recently. So, anyways, this is what Hawk says to us everyone Be watchful. All-seeing and a messenger of divinity. The sharp eyes of Hawk watch our every move. This keen-eyed bird has the ability to see every little detail as well as the bigger picture. When this card appears, fate has its eyes on you and the winds are shifting.
Speaker 3:It is said that hawk carries news upon its wings and is sent from divinity to deliver it. The message should not be taken lightly. Though it may seem small or insignificant, it can and will eventually redirect your entire course. So when in balance with Hawk Medicine, we can see clearly, we can feel our intuition. It's crisp, it's clear, it's there. When it's out of balance, we see too much or we become suspicious. And to bring it into balance, nothing like a good perspective shift. And when I talk about Hawk Medicine to others, I use the example of the viewpoint, because Hawk, like eagle, flies above us and sees this very broad, I mean all the way to the horizon. Right, many of us that can look to the future or look out at the world and, like we were saying about tables, you know be able to see everything going on.
Speaker 3:But they also have this other ability see everything going on. But they also have this other ability where, like mouse, who can only scrutinize because they can only see this much around them. That's right. Hawk can do that. Hawk can hone in on something right before right. Hawk can but hyper focus on something and it becomes an attack, sometimes right and hunting or what have you.
Speaker 2:So hawk has has a dual, a dual ability to to see closely if it needs to, but to also see the broad picture, the whole of reality you know, what I think is really wonderful about this message, in what, in how it's connected to what we've been talking about, Taylor is that remember you know how we've been talking about being reactive, and a lot of times what's happening when we're being reactive is that we're super hyper focused on exactly what's in front of us and we don't have. We don't have the view, the Hawkeye view of the wider, that's right, the wider perspective.
Speaker 2:And if we can, uh, if we can do that, if we can um, um allow ourselves to have that, yeah, that, that, that perspective. Um, then it can pull us out of this tunnel vision that we often fall into when we're being reactive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Get out of that box, right, get out of that box, yeah. And I want everyone who's listening to pay attention, so like if Hawk says we've got this message, that something's coming and it may seem small and insignificant. Nothing in this world can really be that small and insignificant, right, because one tiny pebble can create a snowball. Right, and also understanding discernment, right, not everything needs a reaction. Now there is one juicy mouse down there that is going to get it right. That that's. That's we're going. We're going for this one particular thing, but we cannot hyper fixate on that. So pay attention to your surroundings when you're outdoors and see in the next week if you can spot a hawk in nature.
Speaker 1:So do you want to know another really, really amazing thing about hawks? Yeah, how, when you're too far into something, it can be, overwhelming is the fact that a hawk can't see anything close up, so they can only hyper fixate from afar and in the moment.
Speaker 1:They have to be on point and it has to be precise, otherwise it's all for naught and it's gonna start over, or is it? Have you actually, you know, flown from high enough to see what it is that you're hyper fixating on and have you timed your reaction right? I think is is the thing with with hawk medicine, and I think that that's why now in life, like I I, when I say it, I'm always like, oh, I gotta step back and and see, you know, or I can't react because, because it's happening too fast for me to make that, that calculated strike, that that exact precision you know maneuver. It's hard to find that timing in life. You can't really take care of a situation in the middle of it I had a different experience last week.
Speaker 2:After the um, after the podcast, I um, I went for a walk in the, in the forest. It was beautiful and I walked right up on a deer. Um wait, but what about?
Speaker 3:your owl. Well, I medicine coming, yeah I did, I did gentleness and discernment. But the story of deer patty is a really badass story.
Speaker 2:You saw an owl this week I saw an owl a week ago, a big um. What do you call the ones that are the horn? A great horn sitting right out sitting right out behind my house, just sitting on a branch looking at me going through the job interview and shit like yeah maybe they're gonna move. I honestly think there's big change coming and I'm just kind of trying to be chill about it really great example of what we've been talking about today too, because the deer is known for gentleness.
Speaker 3:However, in the story of deer the deer, all the animals are afraid to go to the top of the mountain, because the top of the mountain is this, this, this demon. Right, and this demon won't let anybody reach the top of the mountain. And all the other animals are like I just I can't. They are that that demon up there? Oh no, thank you, I don't want any part in it, I don't. And the deer says much like patty's spirit. The deer is like that's okay, I'm going to go talk to him anyways, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 3:And so the deer makes its way up to the top of the mountain and here's this giant demon. You can't pass, you can't get to the top of the mountain. And so deer says it's okay, I love you, you're loved, and I'm not afraid of you. And I, I'm gonna get to the top of the mountain. And in doing so, and in relinquishing that fear and that power, the demon shrunk to nothing. And so deer continued on, but in gentleness. One a battle that the answer, the true answer, was melting the hatred in one's heart, but winning with gentleness, being softer. What a beautiful lesson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a great lesson and I definitely think I am really excited to be moving into that. That time, that era in my life where I lead with gentleness, because I think that so much of my you know, I mean I had so many, so many challenges and I think it. You know, I lived with a bit of an edge, a defensiveness, and I was, I was, I did have a tendency to to be reactive, upset and reactive a lot, and I think that I have. I've moved out of that and I've been in transition for a while and, by the way, like astrologically, my North node, which is where I'm heading, is in libra and I think, like it's really the message for my life is all it has been really about finding balance, finding balance, finding balance. I really do think that there are some changes and there are some revelations coming to us that'll be challenging for our psyche but it'll challenge our, our core beliefs about things like the sun, things like the moon and the challenges don't stop and the reactions don't stop.
Speaker 3:So it's it's. It's how we move exactly, it's how we move through the moon phases and and how we are using our awareness to know. Okay, I'm feeling more reactive today and it just so happens that the moon is in Taurus and I should probably just bite my tongue on this one. You know, we kind of just have to be more aware and go with the flow.
Speaker 2:It's that, it's what I think we're being called to do is to find the balance, to pull back reaction, because there's plenty of reaction in some guru way, but just teaching through example. I think the more that we can be in balance, the more that we can find the gentle way through the chaos, through these challenging, chaotic times. I think it's, it'll be a value to people, the people around us. I think so that's, that's my hope, that's my. You know, that's kind of what I want to do with the students I work with, with the people I interact with, you know, and do it with humor too. I think we we have to make sure we don't lose our sense of humor.
Speaker 2:And then you have to deal with coyote and we'll get to coyote next week, so we're going to leave it there and thank folks who have um checked out the live stream, have checked out or listened in to the podcast. If you you know. If you really like what we're putting out, you can. I usually don't ask people to like, hit the like button or follow or whatever, but if you're still inclined, definitely you can do that. We just appreciate you dropping by and listening in on our conversation so we certainly enjoy it every day. Any last words, you guys, before we sign off. I love you guys. Be loved, be loved, be loved, be loved, be loved. As always, this has been such a pleasure and I certainly look forward to doing this all again next week. You guys are awesome.
Speaker 3:We love you.
Speaker 1:I love you too.